Tuesday, April 14, 2009

"If I think your methods of getting what you want are stupid, I will not help you with your cause, however noble"

has always been a canon to live by for me as far as activism goes.

Example: Even if I didn't believe in gay rights, I would be wise to the fact that Fred Phelps does more to hurt his cause than help it. I have sympathy for animal causes, but I'm never going to support PETA.

Anyway, Epilonious has another distinction to suggest.



Joel Monka said...

"You say you got a real solution
Well you know
we'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're all doing what we can
But when you want money for
people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is
brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright"

Robin Edgar said...

Oh dear. . .

There goes CC using the dreaded 'S' word again. :-)

Joel if you contribute any money to the UUA you financially support people with minds that hate. In fact you at least indirectly financially support people with minds who hate you. . .

Charlie Talbert said...

PETA has its hits and misses. Today it hit big IMO. Kathleen Parker is a widely-read and influential conservative columnist. http://tinyurl.com/clee2m

Chalicechick said...

I'll give them that one. But on the whole, their methods do more to make the cause look stupid than they do to actually create change in the direction they want.


Strange Attractor said...

One of my first steps away from conservatism was that I no longer wanted to be associated with people who were.

Joel Monka said...

Lol, Strange Attractor, one of my favorite Churchill quotes is "The kinds of friends who make you long for the company of your enemies."

Robin Edgar said...

Winnie must have been referring to my good U*U friend Joel Monka. . .

PG said...

A good point. I've tried to sort out for myself the distinction between righteous anger (i.e. anger at injustice and wrongs, what I think of as "Jesus with the moneychangers in the temple") and self-righteous anger (which tends to devolve into the hatred and demonization that Joel talks about). I think it helps that I love so many people with different views than mine (although not anyone who is seriously and overtly anti-LGBT, in the sense that they think gay sex should be criminal and gay people sent to reeducation camps -- I don't think I could handle that, and serious props to Epilonius for being able to, especially when he's in the group being targeted).