Ms Kitty is also writing about Sinkford's meeting with the president of Iran. She asks what would Jesus do? or Gandhi? or Martin Luther King Jr.? or Michael Servetus? or Francis David? or, to throw in a few women, what would Joan of Arc do?
As far as I can tell, if they had been asked to meet with a tyrant who abused his people and dropped strong pro-genocide hints (if you believe his claim that the whole "wipe Isreal of the map" bit was a misunderstanding):
Jesus would have used that "presto-change-o abandon your wives and children and possessions and follow me" power that he used on the fishermen.
Gandhi would have met with him, expressed his utter disgust with a wit and cleverness that would have been quoted worldwide, then gone home to fast and recover from the experience.
Martin Luther King, Jr. would have made him listen to the sermon of his life.
Servetus would have treated him with utter contempt and rudeness, and given him a lecture on bible that would have left him extremely confused.
Francis David would have explained to him that killing people who disagreed was unneccessary, probably in strong terms as that issue was pretty personal to him.
And Joan of Arc? Would have kicked his ass. Because she was an army leader and that's what army leaders do best.
But I'm betting NONE of them would have met him on friendly terms then put out a masturbatory press release about how "honored" they were.
CC
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Funny.
Good one CC.
I was thinking of taking that tack myself, and may still do so. . . but you beat me to it and in style! ;-)
Here is my response to Rev. Kit Ketchum that I posted to her "moderated" aka censored Ms. Kitty's Saloon and Road Show blog and cross-posted on The Emerson Avenger blog for good measure.
"Sure, whatshisname probably lied through his teeth."
Strong words Rev. Ketchum.
What about President Bill Sinkford's highly questionable cheap shot aimed at President George W. Bush?
"I could not imagine the current U.S. president taking the time to honor questions about his actions the way Ahmadinejad did today."
Just how truthful is that brazen public statement uttered by President Bill Sinkford? Notice how I didn't say *whathisname* probably lied through his teeth? Doesn't President George W. Bush take the time to honor hard questions about his actions on almost a daily basis? The fact of the matter is that the current president of Iran totally evaded all but one of the questions that President Sinkford asked him and provided a flowery BS answer to the one question he deigned to answer. How does that in any way "honor" the questions that President Bill Sinkford asked Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pray tell?
"But world community is not going to come about if we refuse to talk with those we disagree with, if we are rude, if we are dismissive or call them liars and engage in open conflict with them."
U*Us, including U*U clergy and top level UUA officials like UUA President Bill Sinkford himself. . . do such things on an ongoing basis Rev. Ketchum. I dare say that he was just a tad rude to President Bush in this UUA article wasn't he? Indeed President Bill Sinkford, other top level UUA officials, and other U*U clergy behave in such ways towards victims of clergy misconduct and various other injustices and abuses committed by U*Us. N'est-ce pas?
"He stuck his neck out, trying to get to know and understand the other side. It might look foolish to some but I think it was worth trying."
It looks like hypocritical grandstanding and posturing to some. . . I find it quite interesting how UUA President Bill Sinkford and other UUA leaders studiously avoid trying to get to know and understand the proverbial "other side" when it comes to U*U clergy misconduct and other internal U*U injustices and abuses.
Hopefully you submitted that response as a comment to Rev. Ketchum's blog post CC. If for some reason you did not I would encourage you to do so. I won't bother doing my WWJD? response now since it would be redundant and hard to top what you posted here anyway. Personally I think that Jesus would be rather harder on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad than you suggest here, and would have verbally kicked his ass, as would most other Biblical prophets. Of course he and other Biblical prophets would probably wind up incarcerated alongside Iranian dissidents (or worse) as a result of their speaking truth to power. I think that I just may blog about your kick-ass post here that has pretty much handed President Sinkford his U*U on a platter though. ;-)
I posted something else at Ms. Kitty's and I'm sure she will post it in time. I don't feel a need to crosspost it. She will see this here or she won't.
CC
As I recall, Gandhi is the only one of the lot who had experience dealing with people who wanted to live in an Islamic theocratic state. And he didn't have much luck convincing them that a religiously pluralistic society was better than a "Land of the Pure."
Jesus also had little patience for people claiming God wanted them to do evil things- I seem to remember he horsewhipped some of them once.
To Tehran!!! For God and His Maid!!!
...uhh...heh, Oops, sorry, was reading a little Shaw and just got carried away...
Sinkford's failure was not mentioning any of the names of those held in Iranian jails. Many of them religous people and liberals with views very similar to ours.
We know from the experience that tyrants pay close attention to the press and foreign opinions.
What's said and not said is carefully noted and then spun back home to an audience with little access to our press.
We failed many in Iran by not speaking their names and asking specifically of their fates.
It was a huge failure by Sinkford.
We also need to know what the candidates for UUA Prez would do... far more so than what Jesus and the others would have done...
What will the next UUA Prez do is the real question.
"We know from the experience that tyrants pay close attention to the press and foreign opinions.
What's said and not said is carefully noted and then spun back home to an audience with little access to our press."
Yes, I look forward to UUA President Bill Sinkford's cheap shot swipe at President George Bush being quoted in the Tehran Times. . .
"I could not imagine the current U.S. president taking the time to honor questions about his actions the way Ahmadinejad did today."
Right. . .
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