tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post1225419338728962134..comments2023-10-24T05:49:04.269-04:00Comments on The Chaliceblog: The time CC pulled a Juan WilliamsChalicechickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-83819609387670289472010-11-24T09:51:47.807-05:002010-11-24T09:51:47.807-05:00(((..which makes it sound like his firing was on a...(((..which makes it sound like his firing was on a whim.)))<br /><br />To me it makes it sound like his firing was for cause, which as far as I can tell, it was.Chalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-48353079884518092962010-10-28T12:30:40.984-04:002010-10-28T12:30:40.984-04:00I've certainly not written stories when I'...I've certainly not written stories when I've had an opportunity to that would show what an ignoramus someone I cover is. I'm not sure that I made the right decision, though.<br /><br />http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/10/27/gene_lyons_believe_the_facts/index.html<br /><br />As for NPR/Williams: I believe it's been widely reported that they've been troubled by his Fox relationship for some time, so I don't think it's quite fair to say <br /><br /><i>If NPR had such a problem with that, I don't think they would have taken 13 years to do something about it.</i><br /><br />...which makes it sound like his firing was on a whim.<br /><br />DSD, who's come to think that NPR probably shouldn't have fired him, but also thinks the whole thing is just a much more complicated mess.DairyStateDadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100373589936758473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-36696957255260145272010-10-27T15:11:19.223-04:002010-10-27T15:11:19.223-04:00Bill,
Williams gives analysis which is not the s...Bill, <br /><br />Williams gives analysis which is not the same as just giving opinions. Further, he does interview sources and the sorts of things other reporters do.<br /><br />The position he will hold at Fox actually is an opinion position.<br /><br />FWIW, Williams has been appearing on Fox since 1997. If NPR had such a problem with that, I don't think they would have taken 13 years to do something about it.Chalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-37863769936577115722010-10-27T15:03:42.204-04:002010-10-27T15:03:42.204-04:00(((What if the guy didn't return your calls be...(((What if the guy didn't return your calls because you'd written a story that was fact-based but made him look bad?<br /><br />Would you have been any less culpable?<br /><br />Would your editor have been any more sympathetic?)))<br /><br />I think that my editor would have been fine with that. The difference there is that I would have pissed the source off by doing my job rather than pissing him off with extraneous commentary. <br /><br /><br />(((Does the fact that this county official believed something that was patently found to be NOT TRUE deserve to be a story? Should you have written a story about it?)))<br /><br />I don't think that him having his facts wrong on a political issue is worth a story. Back when I followed politics very closely and paid careful attention to what legislation actually said, I caught people in errors all the time. Never pointed one out when I was in a professional capacity again, though. <br /><br />CC<br /><br />CCChalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-34952390972658091812010-10-26T22:45:38.505-04:002010-10-26T22:45:38.505-04:00Bill- some of us can't afford cable TV. PBS ...Bill- some of us can't afford cable TV. PBS is the only TV we watch (Antiques Roadshow.)kimchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14020798623317549440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-68022789126336785422010-10-23T16:38:24.646-04:002010-10-23T16:38:24.646-04:00The alternative to for anglophiles is the net or s...The alternative to for anglophiles is the net or satellite...people all over Chicago get their native land's TV. My Arabic teacher got Beruit TV. There's simply no need for the taxpayer to be funding an alternative.Bill Baarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07095486926836836714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-7361128950629953872010-10-23T16:22:28.428-04:002010-10-23T16:22:28.428-04:00Paul posted the following, which I screwed up and ...Paul posted the following, which I screwed up and deleted:<br /><br /><br />@ Bill - I used to would've argued with you about defunding public radio and TV. But then they shot themselves in the foot with their own programming choices. Still, things like the News Hour don't have any equivalent in commercial television. Oh, there are all manner of tries, but nothing measures up, IMO. Back in the day, before the plethora of "news" channels, CNN killed broadcast news. The News Hour has it on life support.<br /><br />But tell me, Bill, without PBS where are the anglophiles that don't get premium channels on cable supposed to get their fix of British stuff? (Which, by way of full disclosure, I muchly love too.) In my area, all of those options cost an extra subscription that is, what?, something like the amount a conscientious PBS viewer would pay annually in PBS pledges?Chalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-63037256994903080882010-10-22T15:13:31.110-04:002010-10-22T15:13:31.110-04:00Media Matters does consider appearing on Fox as gr...Media Matters does consider appearing on Fox as grounds for dismissal in and of itself, and is call for <a href="http://mediamatters.org/blog/201010210014" rel="nofollow">Mara Liasson</a> to be fired as well.Joel Monkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10631333436948102576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-46979017156031152632010-10-22T11:59:08.369-04:002010-10-22T11:59:08.369-04:00I rarely heard him on NPR. If I listen to public ...I rarely heard him on NPR. If I listen to public radio, it's for local coverage. If I see Williams now it's on O'Riley as I'm not home in time for the Panel on Fox News. <br /><br />Puzzeling, unserious, whatever you think, the guy was fired for expressing a view. The whole point of Religous garb whether it a hajib, yamalka, Hasidic coat, or Amish dress, is to set one apart. That seperatness provokes a reaction and creates a wall...deliberatly. Travel overseas as an American and you learn to become situationally aware but Islamic dress is hardly one of the tripping points.<br /><br />Williams said something goofy, and his down that more than once, but I suspect this is more an effort to isolate Fox as outside the pale.<br /><br />That's a really bad move on NPR's part.Bill Baarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07095486926836836714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-53473774279972336842010-10-22T11:17:23.557-04:002010-10-22T11:17:23.557-04:00I had tended to find Juan Williams's point of ...I had tended to find Juan Williams's point of view as expressed on NPR puzzling. Since he has moved to Fox, I am not likely to consider his statements seriously as opinions, although they may possibly have some influence and must be considered in that sense, like the views of Glenn Beck.LinguistFriendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02695715246663202212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-27164510784755134612010-10-22T11:03:35.285-04:002010-10-22T11:03:35.285-04:00Hypothetical question about your anecdote:
What i...Hypothetical question about your anecdote:<br /><br />What if the guy didn't return your calls because you'd written a story that was fact-based but made him look bad?<br /><br />Would you have been any less culpable?<br /><br />Would your editor have been any more sympathetic?<br /><br />Alternative hypothetical:<br /><br />Does the fact that this county official believed something that was patently found to be NOT TRUE deserve to be a story? Should you have written a story about it?<br /><br />DSD -- a working journalist who isn't sure how I feel about the whole Juan Williams thing...DairyStateDadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100373589936758473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-32806663710384786452010-10-22T10:31:50.117-04:002010-10-22T10:31:50.117-04:00Williams isn't a reporter. He gives opinions. ...Williams isn't a reporter. He gives opinions. What he said was dumb but hardly controversial. I suspect the real issue was not his opinion, but his working and appearing on Fox. That's the demon channel, and a Liberal isn't supposed to be there.... NPR free to fire him for his opinions, but we taxpayors should be free to push for defunding NPR too. We don't need publically funded radio or TV anymore.Bill Baarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07095486926836836714noreply@blogger.com