tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post7265616031999333472..comments2023-10-24T05:49:04.269-04:00Comments on The Chaliceblog: The usual UU excuses for listening to Garrison KeillorChalicechickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-51867342515797289032010-08-24T14:43:06.640-04:002010-08-24T14:43:06.640-04:00And clearly, he did.And clearly, he did.Chalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-28689382211092340102010-01-09T21:33:14.675-05:002010-01-09T21:33:14.675-05:00It'll be "old news" by then.
Maybe ...It'll be "old news" by then.<br /><br />Maybe you should just "let it go". . . :-)Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-18402698511113421842010-01-09T19:38:54.816-05:002010-01-09T19:38:54.816-05:00I've been thinking about what I'd like (no...I've been thinking about what I'd like (not from you, CC, but from the whole brouhaha, and I have an idea I'll let germinate a few weeks more.John A Arkansawyerhttp://www.arkansawyer.com/wordpress/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-43848976629940461032009-12-31T07:49:33.514-05:002009-12-31T07:49:33.514-05:00:P.S. I really like the "you star, you" ...:P.S. I really like the "you star, you" notation invented by our Northern neighbors. :-)<br /><br />Needless to say the ever so anal Emerson Avenger positively *loves* Mary Bennett's U asterisk U "corporate identity" acronym cum logo for what is *now* The U*U Movement. The Emerson Avenger is ever grateful to ChaliceChick for freely and (ir)responsibly bringing it to his attention that famous UU, *now* famous U*U, the late great Kurt Vonnegut Jr. *also* perceived that an asterisk *could* be seen as a "picture of an asshole".<br /><br />*Still* ROTFLMU*UO at Mary Bennett's Big Fat U*U "corporate identity" fi*ass*co, as the illustration for this almost brand*spanking new TEA blog post about the <a href="http://emersonavenger.blogspot.com/2009/12/garrison-keillor-and-unitarian.html" rel="nofollow">Garrison Keillor fi*ass*co</a> clearly shows. :-)Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-58405583083887780492009-12-30T23:42:07.638-05:002009-12-30T23:42:07.638-05:00Chalicechick: "I'm not calling for a boyc...Chalicechick: "I'm not calling for a boycott exactly."<br /><br />Chalicechick [earlier]: "For years I've been saying that Garrison Keillor sucks and we shouldn't listen to him. [...]<br />Quit listening.<br />Quit reading."<br /><br />You weren't calling for a boycott? Coulda fooled me. ;-)<br /><br />Again, I have nothing good to say about GK's columns about Silent Night or gay marriage. Keillor was just plain wrong on both counts and it's perfectly appropriate to call him out for it.<br /><br />However, jumping from that to condemning a radio program where GK plays a character (and presumably writes a lot of the material) is too long a stretch, in my opinion. (And implying that UU listeners of that program are apologists for intolerance isn't very nice, either.)<br /><br />Anyway, I can distinguish between GK's personal opinions and the jokes written for a comedic radio show. And I gotta say, the Unitarian jokes I heard on the Prairie Home Companion were spot-on. (No, I'm not a fan of the PHC, but I do listen to parts of the show occasionally, because I can't stand commercial radio and the college station plays nothing but "Christian rock" on Saturdays.)<br /><br />P.S. I really like the "you star, you" notation invented by our Northern neighbors. :-)Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-36838810760829727252009-12-28T21:00:14.167-05:002009-12-28T21:00:14.167-05:00John,
I'm not sure what you are asking. My ...John, <br /><br />I'm not sure what you are asking. My solution is to either not listen to him, or listen to him while keeping in mind what a bigot he is. I've listed four reasons why I think not listening and/or listening thoughtfully make sense above. <br /><br />What else do you want from me?<br /><br />CCChalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-50797896274714564082009-12-27T12:29:03.466-05:002009-12-27T12:29:03.466-05:00I've tried to listen to GK a few times and lef...I've tried to listen to GK a few times and left, mostly bored and a bit unsettled at the fake folksiness (real folk don't have long running shows on NPR and endorsement deals that trade on their folksy persona), so I never knew he had any opinion on UUs.<br /><br />I don't exactly disagree with him about wishing I could choose to alter lyrics to suit myself rather than having it done for me (Ok that isn't his point at all - that's just the issue I have with altered lyrics), but the rest of his article is a rather hilarious look at what happens when rants get posted without proper editing.<br /><br />Setting aside the offensiveness of some of what he's written, he manages to internally contradict himself a few times - you can't declare that Christmas is for Christmas and everyone else buzz off and then say, <br /><br />"Christmas does not need any improvements. It is a common ordinary experience that resists brilliant innovation. Just make some gingerbread persons and light three candles and sing softly in dim light about the poor man gathering winter fu-u-el and the radiant beams and the holly and the ivy, and you've got it."<br /><br />Um.. everything listed there, from pastry poppets to holly and ivy are PAGAN customs, so I'll happily buzz off if he insists, but I'm taking my toys with me when I go.<br /><br />Terrible how those Christians have to put up with so much 'spiritual piracy', eh?Morgana Fillionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14049608659949388770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-46538195152363261282009-12-26T23:14:53.038-05:002009-12-26T23:14:53.038-05:00Not for writing letters particularly. The original...Not for writing letters particularly. The original context was boycotting the show, which you felt (correctly, I'd say) wasn't a "worthy purpose". (I may not be, or not have been, parsing your words correctly, so please yell if I misrepresent). I'm asking what reaction to Keillor would be a worthy purpose.<br /><br />(This is all dreadfully written. I hope what I'm meaning comes through.)John A Arkansawyerhttp://www.arkansawyer.com/wordpress/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-60170936062756788822009-12-26T16:00:41.548-05:002009-12-26T16:00:41.548-05:00"Saying nasty things about UUism and UUs is p..."Saying nasty things about UUism and UUs is pretty much your primary goal in life as far as I can tell."<br /><br />I think you kind of have it U*U backwards ass it were CC. <br /><br />Saying things about U*Us who say and do nasty things, so that nasty U*Us become less nasty, is indeed one of my goals in life. One U*U minister insightfully calls it my "alternative spiritual practice".<br /><br />What nasty things have I said about U*Uism itself, other than poking fun at <a href="http://emersonavenger.blogspot.com/2009/12/you-unitard-you-sounds-like-insult-that.html" rel="nofollow">Mary Bennett's Big Fat U*U Corporate Identity Gaffe</a> of course? I thought that I was numbered amongst the more ardent affirmers and promoters of the U*U principles and purposes and other U*U ideals that nasty U*Us flagrantly disregard and wantonly violate. <br /><br />If U*Us want "a little dignity" it would help if they behaved in a dignified manner wouldn't it? Respect is earned and lost as a result of one's words and actions. What have U*Us done to *earn* my respect in the last decade or so? If U*Us don't want me saying things about nasty U*Us perhaps they should deal responsibly with the nasty U*Us I talk about rather than Denying, Ignoring or Minimizing their "less than dignified" nastiness. . .Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-49683219542689345812009-12-26T11:20:58.885-05:002009-12-26T11:20:58.885-05:00Of course you're not wrong.
Indeed, walking...Of course you're not wrong. <br /><br />Indeed, walking out the door and not coing back is the best response to a church that treats you badly. And, yes, I'm happy to see the little churches who insist on intolerance die off as I think they have an unreasonable amount of negative influence on the way we are percieved. <br /><br />As for the rest, if bodysnarking cheap shots about UU ministers is seriously the best you can do for a comment, fine, whatever, but don't bother to say "I hate to say so" when you very obviously love to say so and say so whenever you can.<br /><br />CCChalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-42024899418965514252009-12-26T10:53:57.143-05:002009-12-26T10:53:57.143-05:00"UUIsm is not the fawning fat girl who dotes ..."UUIsm is not the fawning fat girl who dotes on her "best friend," the bitchy homecoming queen who treats her like crap. We're a religion, let's have a little dignity."<br /><br />I hate to say so CC, but a few too many U*Us, including some U*U ministers in very high places at 25 Beacon Street, don't seem to give a crap about having "a little dignity" as the UUA's well-documented <br /><a href="http://emersonavenger.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-rev-dr-tracey-robinson-harris.html" rel="nofollow">fawning over the bitchy fat girl</a> makes clear if I may mix a couple of your metaphors. . . A *that* is but one example of just how little dignity the "tiny, declining, fringe religion" known as <a href="http://emersonavenger.blogspot.com/2009/05/uu-movement-sound-like-something.html" rel="nofollow">The U*U Movement</a> has these days.<br /><br />Your parting shot about Keillor in your comment above could be just as easily applied to a boycott of U*U "churches", at least those with a well-established culture of intolerance towards Christians and other God believing people to say nothing of other general suckitude to anyone who is different aka not a member of the *club* to use GK's turn of a phrase. . . Am I wrong?Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-53457126452350926562009-12-26T10:27:07.208-05:002009-12-26T10:27:07.208-05:00A worthy purpose for writing Keillor letters? I h...A worthy purpose for writing Keillor letters? I haven't a clue.<br />He strikes me as the sort of man who regards his own stubborness as charming and old world.<br /><br />As for a worthy purpose for not listening to bigoted jokes that thinly conceal prejudice, or at least listening and not going on about what a great guy the joker is, there are a variety of benefits:<br /><br />1. You won't be exposing yourself to Keillor's jokes, making you less likely to nod along and tell yourself that bigotry really isn't that bad. <br /><br />I've admitted here before that Bill Clinton, were he to stand in front of me and talk to me, could pretty much sell me anything. For me, Keillor doesn't have the same charms, but if someone else finds Keillor that appealing, I don't think they should let Keillor sell them bigotry.<br /><br />2. You will not be contributing to the pathetic "Sure he makes fun of us, but he talks about us!" vibe that lots of UUs have with him. UUIsm is not the fawning fat girl who dotes on her "best friend," the bitchy homecoming queen who treats her like crap. We're a religion, let's have a little dignity. <br /><br />3. You will not be making your gay, Jewish and UU friends listen to you go on about what a great guy Keillor is, with the implicit message that you don't feel like bigotry against them is a big deal. <br /><br />4. You won't be contributing to a culture of intolerance and general suckitude to anyone who is different. <br /><br />CCChalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-61148034075220275572009-12-25T23:50:28.367-05:002009-12-25T23:50:28.367-05:00"I don't think convincing Keillor that he..."I don't think convincing Keillor that he needs to better hide his bigotry is a worthy purpose."<br /><br />Me, either--but what <b>would</b> be?John A Arkansawyerhttp://www.arkansawyer.com/wordpress/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-19615471551380266682009-12-24T09:02:42.260-05:002009-12-24T09:02:42.260-05:00I'm not calling for a boycott exactly. A boyc...I'm not calling for a boycott exactly. A boycott is planned to serve a political purpose. I don't think convincing Keillor that he needs to better hide his bigotry is a worthy purpose. <br /><br />Besides, I'm sure at some point he will apologize with the same sort of "But my best friends are all gay" crap he used in response to his jokes about homosexuals and gay parents. I don't want his apology especially. <br /><br />I'm just sick of UUs taking a "Well, other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?" attitude toward the nastier aspects of Keillor's humor. Keillor's jokes about gays and Jews, and yes, us, should not be ignored and "Oh, but he was just kidding about how children are better off raised by straight people" attitude is just an excuse to keep nodding and smiling along when Keillor spews his bigoted bullshit. <br /><br />I will make a final clarification, and one I've made in the comments sections of other blogs. <br /><br />If you get that Keillor is a bigoted jerk and you want to listen to him anyway, I can live with that. <br /><br />My concern is the people who are smiling and nodding and not seriously critically examining what they are listening to, blithely confident that Keillor doesn't mean the nasty stuff because he's such a great guy. <br /><br />CCChalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-1545903458633380322009-12-24T07:10:36.273-05:002009-12-24T07:10:36.273-05:00Let's not be too harsh. <a href="http:...Let's not be too harsh. <a href="http://www.hometownsource.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11758:congresswoman-michele-bachmann-big-garrison-keillor-fan&catid=13:capitol-news&Itemid=29>Garrison Keillor has his fans</a>.John A Arkansawyerhttp://www.arkansawyer.com/wordpress/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-28486158347279944152009-12-24T00:14:09.486-05:002009-12-24T00:14:09.486-05:00So, Tom, are you saying that the concept that acti...So, Tom, are you saying that the concept that actions have consequences is silly? Or are you saying that it's silly to tell an entertainer that if he wants my patronage and my money, he might want to avoid insulting me? I'm not sure of your meaning.<br /><br />If those are your principles, since you mention Fox, do you watch Bill OReilly and Sean Hannity? Buy their books? Have you bought Glenn Beck's videos yet? After all, if it's silly to let offensive words bother you...Joel Monkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10631333436948102576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-4738562082100879902009-12-23T17:18:26.156-05:002009-12-23T17:18:26.156-05:00"Agreeing with almost everyone who has posted..."Agreeing with almost everyone who has posted in the thread so far isn't exactly trolling."<br /><br />I was speaking in general terms and referencing previous U*U accusations that I am nothing but <a href="http://www.peoplesobold.net/2005/11/trolls-dont-post-comments-they.html" rel="nofollow">a troll</a>. . .Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-12899685374202743652009-12-23T16:11:04.959-05:002009-12-23T16:11:04.959-05:00Yes, Keillor’s Silent Night column was ill-tempere...Yes, Keillor’s Silent Night column was ill-tempered (to borrow the involved minister’s term) and factually wrong; his gay marriage columns was outright homophobic.<br /><br />Still, calling for a boycott of all things Keillor-related (incl. the Prairie Home Companion) strikes me as silly and potentially stooping to a level more commonly associated with FOX News.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-90832506159678815422009-12-23T00:13:18.834-05:002009-12-23T00:13:18.834-05:00Well it only took me almost a week, but I've c...Well it only took me almost a week, but I've come to <a href="http://dairystatedad.blogspot.com/2009/12/american-in-china-reflects-on-keillors.html" rel="nofollow">see things</a> your way about Keillor's UU schtick in general.DairyStateDadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100373589936758473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-20480412001537069292009-12-22T22:37:56.515-05:002009-12-22T22:37:56.515-05:00Agreeing with almost everyone who has posted in th...Agreeing with almost everyone who has posted in the thread so far isn't exactly trolling. Yes, Keillor doesn't like us and likely means his little barbs. Shrug. He's a jerk. <br /><br />CC<br />who totally just noticed that "Desdemona" is trusting someone she probably shouldn't and thinks that's hilarious.Chalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-82972336673133221602009-12-22T12:37:29.659-05:002009-12-22T12:37:29.659-05:00I am being very Green here by recycling this comme...I am being very Green here by recycling this comment that I just left on Rev. Cyn's blog -<br /><br />Interestingly enough U*Us. . . A free and responsible search for the truth and meaning of Garrison Keillor's appparent anti-U*U "rant" reveals that Garrison Keillor himself told U*Us that he was not a "companion" to U*Us seberal years ago. Check out these quite "prophetic" words of Garrison Keillor that were posted to UU World magazine editor Chris Walton's now rather defU*Unct Philocrites blog on Thor's Day, October 2, 2003 -<br /><br />"Beneath this cool tolerant exterior beats the heart of an old *reactionary* and *pulpit-pounder* and if you ever put me in front of Unitarians with a microphone, I'd be hollering about man's inherent sinfulness and unworthiness and singing "Are You Washed In the Blood". I'd be roaming the aisles, *poking* people, baying like a dog. It wouldn't be a pretty sight."<br /><br />So maybe U*Us should have taken *those* words of Garrison Keillor seriously way back when. . .<br /><br />WVC = proll as in proletarian troll perhaps :-)Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-80806035146796058312009-12-21T20:21:26.410-05:002009-12-21T20:21:26.410-05:00CC - if you haven't noticied, Gini Courter not...CC - if you haven't noticied, Gini Courter noticed your blog article about Keillor.<br /><br />She was going to write a response but figured you had done it for her:<br /><br />http://justgini.blogspot.com/2009/12/chaliceblog-usual-uu-excuses-for.html<br /><br />And that's a pretty cool compliment to get.Steve Caldwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12333184436301854794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-19998840844155458382009-12-21T16:49:02.989-05:002009-12-21T16:49:02.989-05:00Hey Desdemona,
Liberal religion doesn't mean ...Hey Desdemona,<br /><br />Liberal religion doesn't mean I can't try to tell you not to plead for the approval of someone who clearly has so little respect for us. <br /><br />It does mean you don't have to listen.<br /><br />CCChalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-5663192730726798082009-12-21T11:28:40.988-05:002009-12-21T11:28:40.988-05:00Hey, CC: quit telling me what to do. I'm a UU ...Hey, CC: quit telling me what to do. I'm a UU because I don't like others telling me what to think or how to behave. Even other UUs! State your opinion and let us decide if we'll stop listening and reading. <br /><br />I would suggest Keillor fans, rather than boycott him for expressing a difference of opinion, flood him with letters letting him know why you feel he is wrong.<br /><br />And it is entirely possible that some UUs just might agree with him on this one. After all, UUs allegedly respect a diversity of beliefs.Tabithahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10850191574831035669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-59558342712141138192009-12-20T14:18:45.360-05:002009-12-20T14:18:45.360-05:00Feldman's citation of Animal Farm and A Modest...Feldman's citation of Animal Farm and A Modest Proposal as <i>real</i> political satire (as opposed to, say, The Onion, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report) reminds me of one of my favorite parts of Breakfast at Tiffany's:<br /><br />"[Your story] doesn't <i>mean</i> anything."<br /><br />My hand, smoothing oil on her skin, seemed to have a temper of its own: it yearned to raise itself and come down on her buttocks. "Give me an example," I said quietly. "Of something that means something. In your opinion."<br /><br />"<i>Wuthering Heights</i>," she said, without hesitation.<br /><br />The urge in my hand was growing beyond control. "But that's unreasonable. You're talking about a work of genius."<br /><br />"It was, wasn't it? <i>My wild sweet Cathy</i>. God, I cried buckets. I saw it ten times."<br /><br />I said, "Oh" with recognizable relief, "oh" with a shameful, rising inflection, "the <i>movie</i>."<br /><br />Her muscles hardened, the touch of her was like stone warmed by the sun. "Everybody has to feel superior to somebody," she said. "But it's customary to present a little proof before you take the privilege."PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381347581328622706noreply@blogger.com