tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post5904870434778767328..comments2023-10-24T05:49:04.269-04:00Comments on The Chaliceblog: I find this question impossible.Chalicechickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-22668200045382588722009-01-28T19:40:00.000-05:002009-01-28T19:40:00.000-05:00CC You completely missed the point of my comment a...CC You completely missed the point of my comment about some GBLT people finding themselves to be "less than welcome" in self-described U*U "Welcoming Congregations". Or you disingenuously sidestepped my points. . . Did you even bother to follow the links? My point was that even if GBLT people are completely "love-bombed" by a U*U Welcoming Congregation because they are gay they can, and in some cases do, discover that they are "less than welcome" and even outright unwelcome because they are Christian oriented or otherwise theistic and/or are political conservatives such as "Log Cabin Republicans" for example.Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-42401218754050536792009-01-28T19:32:00.000-05:002009-01-28T19:32:00.000-05:00"Why is it UUs do not typically use nasty ethic (s..."Why is it UUs do not typically use nasty ethic (sic) stereotypes, but make an exception for the term WASP?"<BR/><BR/>Well Dudley, *I* personally <A HREF="http://emersonavenger.blogspot.com/2009/01/yet-another-unitarian-universalist.html" REL="nofollow">get a kick out of</A> describing <A HREF="http://uuawayoflife.blogspot.com/2009/01/dark-pit-of-egotistical-delusion-is.html" REL="nofollow">egotistically delusional</A> aka self-important 97% White U*Us as <A HREF="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wazoo" REL="nofollow">WASU*Us</A> myselves. :-)Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-79222136000494913062009-01-27T12:12:00.000-05:002009-01-27T12:12:00.000-05:00I think because most people regard it as a discrip...I think because most people regard it as a discriptive term rather than a pejorative one. <BR/><BR/>CCChalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-5306117656515009722009-01-27T12:03:00.000-05:002009-01-27T12:03:00.000-05:00"I wonder if that question isn't just a fancy way ..."I wonder if that question isn't just a fancy way of asking, "How are you not a WASP?""<BR/><BR/>Why is it UUs do not typically use nasty ethic stereotypes, but make an exception for the term WASP?<BR/><BR/>Do you think throwing words like that at people makes good karma?<BR/><BR/>Dudley Jones<BR/>jonesdudley@hotmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-66777895100468802512009-01-26T23:21:00.000-05:002009-01-26T23:21:00.000-05:00"Particularly given the number of gay folks who fi..."Particularly given the number of gay folks who find the "welcoming congregation" stuff annoying and insulting, and I would think that would be easier."<BR/><BR/>Especially when they discover to their chagrin that, for <A HREF="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=vM0&q=U*Unitarians+and+Christian-oriented+GBLT+people.+.+.&btnG=Search&meta=" REL="nofollow">one reason</A> or <A HREF="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=A0K&q=U*Unitarians+and+%22Log+Cabin+Republicans%22.+.+.&btnG=Search&meta=" REL="nofollow">another</A>, they aren't *really* welcome in *some* U*U "Welcoming Congregations". . .Robin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-67560286798650777622009-01-25T04:42:00.000-05:002009-01-25T04:42:00.000-05:00As an Englishman living in Italy, I tend to coales...As an Englishman living in Italy, I tend to coalesce with other "Anglos". <BR/><BR/>I think the British tend to view Americans as simply British people with different accents, while the Americans tend to view the British as no different to any other foreigner. <BR/><BR/>Oscar Wilde remarked that the two cultures were of course separated by a common language, and this does illustrate the gulf. <BR/><BR/>However, while I think the British tend to delude themselves about the Americans, I think the Americans tend to delude themselves about themselves! <BR/><BR/>Although there are differences - as there are between all of the Anglo cultures - these are less pronounced than between others. But i suppose it was important for Americans to fashion out a separate identity after independence. <BR/><BR/>Equally of course, the same applies to the English - and Europe!uni-talianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12130575625229865792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-60341035827006220722009-01-25T01:50:00.000-05:002009-01-25T01:50:00.000-05:00CC-- I added that book to my wish list. I liked w...CC-- I added that book to my wish list. I liked what I read of it on amazon. I love that feature they have of being able to look inside books a bit. <BR/>Thanks for letting me know about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-21852948726222990522009-01-24T01:07:00.000-05:002009-01-24T01:07:00.000-05:00I wonder if that question isn't just a fancy way o...I wonder if that question isn't just a fancy way of asking, "How are you not a WASP?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-20300824968587611942009-01-23T21:39:00.000-05:002009-01-23T21:39:00.000-05:00"Well, she's in America now, so she should act lik..."Well, she's in America now, so she should act like an American!"<BR/><BR/>I hate that too, but I have to say that in specific reference to the Japanese, I can imagine a person who had spent time in their culture saying, "If I were in Japan, I'd be expected to act like I'm Japanese!"<BR/><BR/>It's also a difficult sentiment to cope with within a family -- my folks have a terrible way of telling my husband that he should learn to like spicy food, learn Telugu, get used to people's being late, etc. now that he's married an Indian girl. He HATES that, and feels particularly annoyed because we're not living in Hyderabad (where it might be reasonable to ask him to adapt to general local norms of cuisine and language, as he did when he lived in Japan), but in the U.S.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381347581328622706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-15991133321205858582009-01-23T19:32:00.000-05:002009-01-23T19:32:00.000-05:00interesting topic. I have been thinking about wri...interesting topic. I have been thinking about writing a sermon on "real diversity" -- like the kind of stuff that makes us uncomfortable with people of other cultures, or even subcultures. Like the kinds of things addressed in Deborah Tannen's books <I>That's Not What I Meant</I> and <I>You Just Don't Understand</I>, as well as things like the distance we stand from each other when we speak to each other. <BR/>I watch my stepsons' other mother, with her wealthy eastern seaboard upbringing, complaining about the way the elder son's "working class" girlfriend dresses -- she calls it trashy. I see this as a culture clash. (as I see it, it isn't what she wears, it's when she wears it.)<BR/>There are a lot of clashes -- and most people aren't aware that other people have a different view from them -- they assume people are just being annoying on purpose. I'm thinking of a receptionist in an office I worked in who frequently complained about the boss's very Japanese wife. When I said that maybe, since she was raised in a different culture, what she said that you think is rude, wouldn't have been rude in her culture, so she doesn't know. The reply I got from her was, "Well, she's in America now, so she should act like an American!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-66994195664607038482009-01-23T18:22:00.000-05:002009-01-23T18:22:00.000-05:00After years of advanced study of other cultures, I...After years of advanced study of other cultures, I abandoned the quest for understanding them, for fear it would limit my already pressured understanding of myself.<BR/><BR/>So what do I do with other cultures? Forget understanding -- I just MIRROR WHAT I SEE, ECHO WHAT I HEAR!<BR/><BR/>It does wonders for the comfort level at my full-muscle job. And at the end of the day, I can settle into this messy little room and blog my little brain until it fries!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-12660854920765675572009-01-23T11:59:00.000-05:002009-01-23T11:59:00.000-05:00"What experiences have you had that help you deepl..."What experiences have you had that help you deeply understand the mindset and values of another culture?"<BR/><BR/>Humility is not one of the UU virtues. <BR/><BR/>Knowing that you do not know is like waking up from a bad dream.<BR/><BR/>Best Wishes<BR/><BR/>Dudley Jones<BR/>jonesdudley@hotmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-89675270904657983652009-01-23T08:49:00.000-05:002009-01-23T08:49:00.000-05:00Well, as I said, that's the optimal solution, but ...Well, as I said, that's the optimal solution, but it is not going to be possible with every interaction. <BR/><BR/>CCChalicechickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07781469958573869914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-68035641160536126212009-01-23T08:44:00.000-05:002009-01-23T08:44:00.000-05:00What about actually talking to the people you're m...What about actually talking to the people you're making assumptions about and asking them? And then taking their replies seriously?Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9864334.post-69005183394220255082009-01-22T11:32:00.000-05:002009-01-22T11:32:00.000-05:00I think what happens is that smug good intentions ...I think what happens is that smug good intentions rapidly become platitudes. True diversity needs no introduction, nor a buzzword attached to it. It's subtle, in other words.Comrade Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11393718048145784837noreply@blogger.com